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In today's episode, Kyle Grieve and Shawn O’Malley analyze Exor, the Dutch holding company controlled by Italy's Agnelli family and best known for its long-standing stake in Ferrari. They walk through Exor's ownership of Ferrari, and what they like about Lingotto, Exor’s investing management company. Along the way, they dig into what could cause the current valuation gap to close or widen.



IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN:

(00:00:00) Intro

(00:00:50) Revisiting the Exor and Ferrari thesis

(00:02:51) How Exor’s stock reacted since the original purchase

(00:06:59) Why Ferrari’s stock has fallen despite strong operating results

(00:14:01) The market’s reaction to Ferrari’s new Luce model

(00:20:35) How Ferrari’s other new releases are doing

(00:42:34) Ferrari’s capital allocation, working capital, and margin trends

(00:47:48) How Ferrari’s racing program supports its brand and marketing

(00:50:59) Risks facing Ferrari from changing driving habits and tariffs

(01:07:30) Expanding on Lingotto, Exor’s growing asset management business

(01:12:00) Evaluating Lingotto’s performance, fees, and top holdings



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Shawn O'Malley and Kyle Grieve explore Intuit (ticker: INTU).

In this episode, you'll learn what narratives have underpinned the company’s more than 60% selloff, as Intuit claims the undesirable title of “worst performer in the S&P 500” this year. But is this a bargain price for a high-quality SaaS business, or a value trap? That’s the key question that Shawn & Kyle discuss, plus so much more!

IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN:

(00:00:00) Intro
(00:03:08) How Intuit’s accounting software became so popular
(00:11:54) What makes QuickBooks such a great business
(00:19:58) Why Intuit is the worst performing stock in the S&P 500 this year
(00:23:10) How to think about Intuit as either a value trap or bargain
(00:36:57) Whether Intuit’s TurboTax business is resistant to AI disruptions
(01:11:21) Valuation discussion of Intuit
(01:13:13) How to model Intuit’s intrinsic value
(01:14:22) Whether Shawn & Kyle add Intuit to The Intrinsic Value Portfolio

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Daniel Mahncke and Shawn O'Malley take a deep dive into DLocal (NASDAQ: DLO), the first Uruguayan unicorn and the emerging markets payment provider for companies like Amazon, Uber, Spotify, Netflix, and many more. DLocal is trading at attractive multiples while growing payment volumes at over 70% and printing cash due to high operating leverage and a high-margin business model. That cash is given back to shareholders in the form of dividends and buybacks.

Daniel and Shawn discuss whether the high customer concentration and the declining take rate justify the cheap valuation or whether the market is not understanding the full potential of this emerging market jewel. In the end, Daniel values the business and decides whether DLO deserves a spot in The Intrinsic Value Portfolio.

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(00:02:04) How DLO became the leading player in emerging markets
(00:06:16) What makes DLO’s business model stand out
(00:14:20) What two megatrends DLO benefits from
(00:26:41) Whether there is a race to the bottom with take rates
(00:50:37) How DLO compares to Western competition
(00:56:58) How DLocal distributes cash to shareholders
(01:13:26) Valuation discussion of DLO
(01:16:05) Whether DLO is valued attractively
(01:17:44) Whether Shawn and Daniel add DLO to the Intrinsic Value Portfolio

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In today's episode, Kyle Grieve and Shawn O’Malley analyze Perimeter Solutions, a niche industrial conglomerate built by Transdigm's legendary founder Nick Howley using the same playbook that turned Transdigm into a multi-decade compounder. They break down how the company operates two very different segments, from wildfire retardants and airbase logistics to specialty chemicals and precision medical manufacturing equipment, each built around sticky, mission-critical customer relationships. They’ll also cover the company's acquisition strategy, its unusual founder's advisory fee, and the debt and litigation risks that complicate an otherwise compelling capital allocation story.


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(00:00:34) Why the Transdigm playbook is worth cloning
(00:04:20) How this management team built a public compounding machine
(00:07:42) Why one segment profits directly from worsening wildfires
(00:16:05) The chemical monopoly hiding inside a boring business
(00:27:27) What makes these niche products nearly impossible to replace
(00:37:14) How disciplined acquisitions have created so much shareholder value
(00:43:19) The controversial fee structure investors aren’t big fans of
(01:07:07) Valuation discussion of PRM
(01:09:54) Intrinsic value of PRM
(01:11:43) Whether Kyle and Shawn will add PRM to the Intrinsic Value Portfolio

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In today's episode, Kyle Grieve and Shawn O’Malley analyze Fairfax Financial, the insurance conglomerate that Prem Watsa built from a near-bankrupt trucking insurer into a compounding machine often compared to Berkshire Hathaway. They break down Fairfax's insurance and non-insurance segments, its use of float, and the capital allocation moves, from acquisitions to buybacks, that have driven decades of growth. The conversation also covers Fairfax's competitive advantages, key risks such as catastrophe exposure and succession, and whether the business remains an attractive opportunity today.

IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN:

(00:00:00) Intro
(00:04:52) Why Fairfax's history shorting backfired for years
(00:07:48) How Fairfax structures its insurance and non-insurance businesses
(00:14:20) How Fairfax treats its winning investments
(00:18:46) What the combined ratio reveals about Fairfax’s underwriting abilities
(00:31:36) Why Fairfax's culture keeps talented operators for decades
(00:33:16) How Fairfax uses debt to fund acquisitions
(00:38:28) Why Fairfax's buyback timing shows disciplined capital allocation
(00:43:09) How Prem Watsa's pay stays modest despite success
(00:49:35) What risks Fairfax has as it continues to scale
(00:56:19) Valuation discussion of Fairfax
(00:57:56) Intrinsic value of Fairfax
(01:02:29) Whether Kyle and Shawn will add Fairfax to the Intrinsic Value Portfolio

Disclaimer: Slight discrepancies in the timestamps may occur due to podcast platform differences.

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