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ECETI, Contact, and the Battle Between Control and Awakening
James Gilliland welcomes Michael Jaco for a wide-ranging conversation about ECETI Ranch, UFO sightings, alleged targeting, spiritual protection, multidimensional beings, geopolitical collapse, ascension, timelines, inner-earth civilizations, and the shift from systems of control toward a higher-consciousness future.

Guest Spotlight: Michael Jaco

Michael Jaco returns to As You Wish Talk Radio after visiting ECETI Ranch with his wife. In the episode, he discusses his stated background in military and intelligence work, his experiences at the ranch, UFO and contact phenomena, remote viewing, alleged targeting, multidimensional themes, spiritual protection, geopolitical concerns, and his belief that humanity is moving through a major awakening process. The transcript notes that claims made during the program are preserved as speaker statements and should not be treated as independently verified facts.

Michael Jaco’s Visit to ECETI Ranch

James Gilliland opens the episode by welcoming Michael Jaco and describing the time Jaco and his wife spent at ECETI Ranch, including skywatching and what Gilliland describes as ships interacting with people. Jaco briefly summarizes his stated biography, including his Navy SEAL, SEAL Team Six, CIA, remote viewing, and “secret space program” references, before praising ECETI as a place where direct experience removes doubt about UFO activity. Gilliland emphasizes his long-standing invitation for people to come see for themselves rather than simply accept anyone else’s claims.

UFO Community Politics, Targeting, and Controlled Narratives

The early discussion turns toward the UFO community itself, with both Gilliland and Jaco criticizing what they describe as deception, competition, controlled narratives, and compromised figures within disclosure circles. They discuss claims about black helicopters, white helicopters, interference around events, and alleged efforts to disrupt authentic contact work. Gilliland says ECETI has decades of contact history and evidence, while Jaco argues that people who reveal uncomfortable truths are targeted, whereas “posers” or controlled opposition are promoted.

COVID, Power Structures, and Corruption Claims

The conversation then broadens into political, medical, and institutional claims, including discussion of COVID-19, vaccines, hospitals, Dr. Fauci, government agencies, and what the speakers describe as systems of control. Jaco and Gilliland frame these topics as part of a larger struggle involving elites, hidden influences, medical and military systems, and spiritual warfare. Because the transcript specifically flags medical, political, COVID-19, vaccine, hospital, and Dr. Fauci-related claims for verification, these portions should be summarized only as speaker statements rather than established fact.

Multidimensional Beings, Anunnaki, Draco, and Galactic Councils

Gilliland and Jaco move into metaphysical and galactic material, discussing Anunnaki, Draco, Pleiadians, Orion, Sirians, Andromedans, inner-earth beings, angelics, archangels, and councils of higher-dimensional beings. They describe a long-running cosmic conflict between service-to-self forces and service-to-others beings, comparing it to a dark-side/light-side struggle. Jaco suggests that understanding positive extraterrestrials and galactic councils is important for humanity, while Gilliland describes ancient lineages, multidimensional worlds, benevolent beings, and higher councils assisting Earth through its current transition.

ECETI Guardians, Divine Feminine, and Spiritual Protection

The episode also explores spiritual protection at ECETI Ranch. Jaco describes sensing Sasquatch, elementals, and protective energy around the property, while Gilliland speaks about guardian beings, elven beings, Bigfoot activity, and what he sees as the protection of high-integrity spiritual people. They also discuss the divine feminine, weather work, meditation, Qigong, and stories of allegedly redirecting fires, winds, and storms. Gilliland presents these experiences as part of the ranch’s spiritual environment and its connection to nature, feminine energy, and higher guidance.

Ascension, Timelines, and the Bifurcation of Worlds

A central theme of the second half is the idea that Earth is undergoing an ascension process. Gilliland says Pleiadians have described “folding time” to help humanity move through crises, while Jaco says he has felt looming events dissolve before manifesting. The conversation covers solar flares, consciousness light, timeline shifts, the collapse of political and medical systems, and a possible bifurcation of worlds in which one reality collapses into self-service and control while another expands into harmony, abundance, and higher consciousness.

Lion Beings, Forgiveness, and Closing Skywatch Invitation

Near the end, Jaco asks about lion energy at ECETI, and Gilliland describes humanoid cat beings, panther beings, and seventh-dimensional lion beings connected to protection, healing, ancient guardianship, and the return of benevolent forces. They also discuss karma, universal law, forgiveness, restitution, and the idea that people can still shift toward the awakening and healing side if they sincerely change direction. The episode closes with Gilliland encouraging listeners to keep an open mind, loving heart, and pure intent, followed by skywatch audio describing ships, power-ups, and promotional material inviting listeners to join ECETI’s programs, podcasts, skywatch videos, workshops, and store.

Popp Talk with Mary Jane Popp

Sex Talk, Soul Purpose, and the Beliefs That Hold Us Back
Mary Jane Popp speaks with Dr. Steven Furlich about how biological sex may influence communication across life stages, then welcomes Vincent Genna for a spiritual conversation about consciousness, the unconscious mind, inner-child beliefs, manifestation, and remembering who we really are.

Guest Spotlight: Dr. Steven Furlich

Dr. Steven Furlich, author of Sex Talk, joins Mary Jane Popp to discuss how he believes biological sex influences gender communication differences throughout life. Drawing from his research and book, he explains distinctions between biological sex and gender expression, then explores topics such as brain structure, hormones, nonverbal communication, spatial ability, relationship conflict, menopause, aging, and why understanding a partner’s perspective can help reduce frustration.

Guest Spotlight: Vincent Genna

Vincent Genna, described in the episode as a psychic therapist, spiritual teacher, medium, author, and host of The Genna Effect, joins the second half of the program to discuss his book The Secret That’s Holding You Back. His conversation focuses on consciousness, the subconscious and unconscious mind, spiritual origins, energy, inner-child beliefs, manifestation, self-worth, and the process of bringing hidden beliefs to the surface so they can be healed and changed.

Biology, Gender Communication, and Relationship Differences

Mary Jane begins the episode with Dr. Furlich and asks him to define gender communication and why men and women may communicate differently. Dr. Furlich distinguishes biological sex from gender, describing biological sex as connected to chromosomes, sex hormones, and brain structures, while gender is connected to expression, social behavior, dress, perception, and communication. He argues that biological sex strongly influences how people perceive, understand, and communicate, while also acknowledging that lifestyle, diet, exercise, and experiences can shift certain biological factors to some degree.

Nonverbal Understanding, Spatial Ability, and the “Man Trance”

Dr. Furlich explains that, in his view, females tend to be stronger at nonverbal understanding and reading emotional or social cues, while males tend to show strengths in spatial ability, direction, motion, object tracking, and hand-eye coordination. He also introduces what he calls the “man trance,” describing it as a male ability to shut off the rest of the world and rest more easily. Mary Jane connects this to long-standing relationship advice about not interrupting a man when he is mentally in his “cave,” while Dr. Furlich says partners need to understand how differently the same conversation may be processed.

Listening, Problem-Solving, and Marriage Across Life Stages

The conversation moves into relationship dynamics, including the common pattern of women wanting to talk through emotions while men may respond by trying to solve the problem. Dr. Furlich connects this to literal processing, emotional bonding, oxytocin, mirror neurons, and differences he says exist in brain connectivity. Mary Jane shares examples from her nearly 53-year marriage, explaining how she and her husband learned when she needed to vent and when he needed space. Together, they frame healthier relationships as a matter of empathy, timing, open communication, accommodation, and respecting each person’s individuality rather than expecting two people to “become one” in every way.

Menopause, Aging, Hormones, and Changing Relationships

Mary Jane and Dr. Furlich also discuss how relationships change across the life stages. Dr. Furlich says menopause, estrogen changes, cognitive shifts, mood changes, muscle loss, bone density, sexual issues, and changing energy can all influence a woman’s experience and therefore the relationship. He also discusses male aging, declining testosterone, and possible attempts to replace feelings of power, status, or vitality through things such as cars or other symbols. Mary Jane shares how she talked openly with her husband during menopause so he would understand that mood swings or emotional changes were not necessarily caused by him.

Consciousness, Energy, and the Superconscious Search

In the second half, Mary Jane welcomes Vincent Genna and asks him to explain consciousness, the conscious mind, subconscious mind, unconscious mind, and superconscious ideas. Vincent begins with Freud’s model, describing the conscious mind as awareness, the subconscious as automatic bodily and behavioral processes, and the unconscious as the place where memories, intuition, inner knowing, and deeper beliefs reside. The conversation quickly expands into spiritual territory, as Vincent says the mind can carry information from other lifetimes, that people came from a spiritual realm before the physical realm, and that humans are energy beings who take form.

The Secret Belief Beneath Manifestation

Vincent says the “secret” holding people back is that they do not truly believe what they think they believe. He argues that many people consciously affirm they are lovable, worthy, smart, and deserving, while unconsciously holding childhood beliefs of “I’m not good enough,” “I’m not lovable,” or “I’m not worthy.” He explains that children often blame themselves for painful circumstances, including divorce, abuse, or family conflict, and those beliefs can remain hidden into adulthood. In Vincent’s view, manifestation comes from the unconscious mind, so unhealed inner-child beliefs can block dreams even when the conscious mind is using affirmations or spiritual practices.

Healing the Inner Child and Remembering Who We Are

Vincent teaches that the path forward is to bring hidden beliefs to the surface, recognize the wounded inner child, and change the beliefs that were formed for survival. He says people are ultimately searching for who they really are, but repeated incarnation, pain, and unconscious self-limitation can cause people to forget their spiritual identity and act from wounded childlike patterns. He encourages listeners to attend to the child within rather than reject it, and points them to his book and website for more of his work. Mary Jane closes by thanking both guests, reminding listeners where to find Popp Talk, and ending with her weekly reflection: “Life is the first gift. Love is the second and understanding the third,” followed by “Live simply, laugh often, love deeply.”