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Breaking the Silence with Dr. Gregory Williams

Different Wounds, Same Healing: Childhood Abuse Survivors Speak Out with Dr. Peter Verdin and Sonny Von Cleveland

Dr. Peter Verdin - Gold in the Cracks — A Memoir of Silence, Performance, and Repair
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Dr. Gregory Williams welcomes two survivors of childhood sexual abuse, former college baseball player Dr. Peter Verdin and motivational speaker Sonny Von Cleveland, whose very different roads through trauma, prison, and healing led them to become close friends and co-authors of companion memoirs.

Football, 9/11, and a Double Booking in Houston
Dr. Gregory Williams opens the broadcast live from Houston, ribbing his beloved Texans for blowing an early lead in their season opener and checking on the Dallas Cowboys, who are about to kick off a tough road game against the New York Giants. He turns serious to mark the anniversary of September 11th, thanking veterans, active-duty service members including his own son in the Army, and firefighters and emergency responders, and says the tragedy pulled the country together with a resiliency he believes can never be broken. Williams gives out the call-in number, 888-627-6008, and his personal cell phone for anyone who needs someone to talk to, and notes the show is also streaming live on Facebook. He tells listeners tonight brings a rare double booking, a dynamic duo he promises will be nationally known soon, and explains he is skipping his usual intro segment to bring on Dr. Peter Verdin and Sonny Von Cleveland right away.

Two Survivors Connect Through a Shared Network
Verdin explains he emailed the show after searching podcasts in the trauma-and-healing space and finding Williams' book, Shattered by the Darkness, dovetailing with his own manuscript, Gold in the Cracks, written while he sat on the floor in pieces. He credits Detective Jeremy Henson, who caught his childhood abuser and has stayed a friend for seventeen years since the trial, with connecting him to Jim Cole, a thirty-year federal investigator who co-hosts a podcast with Sonny Von Cleveland. Verdin and Von Cleveland talked by FaceTime for two hours the first time they spoke, before either knew the other's full story, and later met in person in Nashville, where Von Cleveland wrote the foreword to Gold in the Cracks. Williams reads a line from that foreword aloud, noting how one man wore his pain where the world could see it while the other learned to hide behind a resume, different armor over the same wound.

A Little League Coach's Years of Grooming
Dr. Peter Verdin describes being chosen at age nine for an all-star Little League team in Northern Virginia, where the coach, John Hamilton, began giving him private hitting lessons, took him to an Orioles game, and embedded himself in the family, even earning a seat at Christmas dinner. Hamilton abused him almost daily from age nine until his fourteenth birthday, and Verdin says he told no one until a phone call from his mother during his freshman year of college prompted him to name what happened; Hamilton was later sentenced to fifty-five years in prison. Verdin went on to start for three and a half years at the University of Georgia and was drafted by the Washington Nationals before burning out. He kept the abuse buried for years while building what looked, from the outside, like a successful life, until being fired from a job and an abrupt breakup left him, four months before this broadcast, at what he calls rock bottom.

Abuse, Prison, and Years in Solitary
Sonny Von Cleveland says his abuse began at age three inside his own family and eventually involved seven men over nine years; when he disclosed his uncle's abuse at age ten and testified at trial, the uncle received fifteen years in prison, but much of Von Cleveland's family did not believe him and blamed him instead. Already caught up in the juvenile system after a felony break-in at age seven, he describes his mother trafficking him to men for drugs and money, a cycle that sent him to prison at sixteen, where he was raped by two men at knifepoint in his first week and later stabbed one of his attackers with pencils. He would spend eighteen of the next twenty years incarcerated, including five years in solitary confinement, a period he calls an absolute blessing because it forced him to sit with his own demons. A motorcycle wreck years later, after which he says he had to lose everything to gain a new life, became another turning point in his healing.

Forgiveness, the Body, and the Real Numbers
The two men compare how they manage triggers today. Von Cleveland says he has forgiven every abuser he has ever had, calling forgiveness the ultimate trigger lock that frees him rather than the person who hurt him, alongside meditation and remembering survivors who cannot yet speak for themselves. Verdin takes a different view, describing complex post-traumatic stress disorder as a physical brain injury stored in the nervous system rather than something a person can simply decide to release, and tracing a chronic back injury directly back to the exact age his abuse ended. Both men lean on movement, EMDR therapy, and journaling. When Williams raises the widely cited statistic that one in six men experience childhood sexual abuse, both guests call the number far too low, arguing it only counts men who report, leaving out boys in rural communities, cultural groups where the subject stays taboo, and the more than thirty children Verdin's abuser was found to have victimized beyond the five who came forward.

Advice for Men Who Have Never Told Anyone
Asked what he would say to a man who has never disclosed his abuse, Verdin urges people to speak before they hit rock bottom, describing how writing his own story forced buried memories to the surface and noting that friends who finally learned his history told him it made him make so much more sense. Von Cleveland adds that no one can help a person whose struggle stays hidden, quoting Viktor Frankl's line that suffering ceases to be suffering once it is given a purpose. Williams closes by pointing listeners to both books: Von Cleveland's Hey, White Boy: Conversations of Redemption, already available in print, on Kindle and as an AI-narrated audiobook, and Verdin's Gold in the Cracks, due out the third week of October and previewable at his website. He invites both men back on the show, thanks them for giving up their evening, and ends the broadcast with the program's long-standing promise that no matter how dark it gets, there is always hope.

The Jim Benson Show

Why Is Trump Still Waiting to Declare a National Elections Emergency?

Jim Benson devotes the show to his own case for a Trump-declared national elections emergency, then runs an extended sequence of video clips covering Trump's Texas rally, a deep dive into the contested Los Angeles mayor's race, Trump's combative Meet the Press interview, DOGE's findings on non-citizen voter registration, and disputed audits of Georgia and national voter rolls.

Benson's Opening Case for an Elections Emergency
Jim Benson opens the show with a lengthy monologue arguing that Democratic-controlled states deliberately keep bloated, corrupted voter rolls so that mass mail-in ballots can reach illegal aliens, deceased residents and other ineligible voters. He blames Democrats he calls communist-aligned and their Republican-in-Name-Only allies for blocking common-sense election reform, tying the fight to open borders policy and climate change politics. Benson says he has lost hope that the Senate will pass the SAVE Act before the midterms and argues President Trump should immediately declare a national elections emergency to impose the act's requirements on resistant states. He repeats a claim that electronic voting software originally written in Venezuela let remote engineers manipulate vote counts in the United States and roughly seventy other countries, a claim the transcript does not independently verify. Benson then introduces four video clips he plans to run largely without interruption, covering Trump's Texas convention speech and reports on Los Angeles, Georgia and national voter-roll data.

Trump's Midterm Rally Speech in Texas
The show plays a clip from conservative podcaster George A.A.'s YouTube channel showing part of President Trump's speech at the Republican Midterms Convention in Texas. Trump tells the packed arena that with voter support the country will become stronger, safer, richer, freer and greater than ever, dismissing unfavorable coverage as fake news while noting the venue is full with more supporters standing outside. He tells the crowd that in fifty-five days Americans will vote in one of the most important elections in the country's history, warning that handing power to the radical left would set the nation back a decade. He contrasts what he calls the failures of the Biden years with what he describes as the two most successful years of any presidency, financially and otherwise, and urges the audience to vote Republican so the party can finish the job. The crowd responds with sustained cheering and chants of USA throughout the clip.

De Gregorio and the Los Angeles Mayor's Race
Benson runs a long segment from Zach De Gregorio's Wolves and Finance YouTube channel examining alleged election fraud, beginning with disputed anomalies in the 2020 presidential vote count before turning to the Los Angeles mayoral primary. De Gregorio revisits Mayor Karen Bass's admission that traveling to Africa during the wildfires was a mistake and plays a clip of her linking homeless drug use to self-protection, which he calls out as nonsensical. He profiles challenger Spencer Pratt, a former reality-television figure whose home burned in the fires, and city councilwoman Nithya Raman, who trailed Pratt by about forty thousand votes on election night and delivered what sounded like a concession speech. De Gregorio says mail-in ballots counted in the following week reversed the result, moving Raman thirty thousand votes ahead of Pratt while Bass finished first overall. He calls the swing statistically suspicious, though he adds that Pratt likely would have lost the general election regardless.

Trump's Meet the Press Clash and DOGE Findings
The clips turn to President Trump's contentious Meet the Press interview with Kristen Welker, in which he calls California's slow vote count in the Los Angeles race rigged and repeatedly tells Welker her network is crooked before ending the interview. De Gregorio then plays footage of DOGE's Vivek Ramaswamy and Elon Musk describing how asylum seekers can obtain work permits and Social Security numbers without an interview, which Musk frames as part of a deliberate effort to reshape the electorate. A chart shows Social Security numbers issued to non-citizens spiking above two million in fiscal year 2024. The segment then contrasts Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson insisting there is no evidence of non-citizen voting with a news report that Attorney General Dana Nessel charged six people, including five non-citizens, with illegal voting in 2024. A clip of Barack Obama telling an interviewer that voting records stay confidential closes the sequence, which De Gregorio argues undercuts the safety of federal election data.

Georgia's Voter Roll Audit Disputed
The program shifts to video attributed by Benson's introduction to attorney Robert Gouveia's Watching the Watchers channel, though the transcript continues to label the narrator as De Gregorio, examining a Georgia secretary of state audit. The narrator disputes Secretary Brad Raffensperger's public claim that the state's voter rolls are 99.9 percent accurate, saying the underlying report actually found about 129,000 voter records with no Real ID number that were never checked, plus 432 potential non-citizen voters confirmed to have cast ballots. The segment notes Georgia removed nearly 466,000 names from its rolls since 2020, including roughly 146,000 dead voters and tens of thousands of duplicate or out-of-state registrations, and argues the original 2020 election, decided by about 11,700 votes, occurred before that cleanup. The narrator accuses Raffensperger of highlighting favorable figures while omitting the unverified records from his public statement, framing the audit as a partial vindication rather than the clean bill of health it claims to be.

Nationwide Violation Tallies and a Call to Action
The final clip cites Unite for Freedom, a self-described election integrity organization, which alleges roughly 10.7 million apparent violations of the National Voter Registration Act across six states including California, Illinois, New York, Pennsylvania and Texas. A California breakdown lists more than a hundred thousand duplicate registrations, millions of backdated entries, and a 77,000-vote discrepancy between certified results and the state's own voter database. Former Justice Department pardon attorney Ed Martin, newly departed for the Center for Renewing America, tells the camera that dozens of House districts and several Senate and state races will be decided on the margins, and that citizens need to focus attention on ballot access and voter-roll integrity heading into the midterms, citing what he calls hundreds of thousands of noncitizens on New Jersey's rolls. Benson closes the show, thanking listeners and directing them to The Jim Benson Show pages at BBS Radio, his X account, Rumble and Apple Podcasts, and promising a new edition in two weeks.

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Shadow Politics with US Senator Michael D Brown and Liberty Jones

Tribes, Kings, and the Seven Dictums of Left and Right Politics with Christopher Angle

Philosopher and author Christopher Angle joins host Michael D. Brown and co-host Liberty Jones to trace the political left and right back to tribal leadership, monarchy, and revolution, sparking a pointed debate over the Second Amendment, ethics, and whether power inevitably corrupts any system built on it.

A Philosopher Joins the Conversation
Michael D. Brown opens the broadcast by welcoming listeners to Shadow Politics and introducing his co-host, Liberty Jones, before turning to his guest, Christopher Angle, a philosopher, author, and host of The Philosophical Angle podcast. Brown, who spent eighteen years working to end the disenfranchisement of the District of Columbia, says he is eager to hear Angle explain why the country feels so divided. Angle answers that he has identified a set of dictums, principles he says govern how the political left and right behave, and that understanding them requires starting with anthropology rather than modern headlines. He traces politics back to early human tribes, where a member with more knowledge, strength, or age would naturally emerge as leader. Angle argues that leadership brings with it a desire for more resources than others in the group receive, a pattern he says appears across human and animal societies alike, and the discussion that follows builds outward from that starting point.

From Tribal Chiefs to Kings and Queens
Angle expands his anthropological account into what he calls the second dictum, Saint Augustine's principle of libido dominandi, the idea that individuals within any society will strive to dominate others. He describes how successful tribes grow into kingdoms, with leaders morphing into kings and queens supported by aristocracies who help enforce their rule over everyone else. Angle says this created a permanent divide between the haves, who enjoyed wealth and status, and the have-nots, the slaves, serfs, and proletariats who worked the land for centuries. He argues that the haves came to believe they alone carried divine favor, a belief reflected in the "divine right of kings" found across Western and Eastern cultures alike, including imperial China. Brown interjects to ask about revolution, noting that eventually the oppressed groups reach a breaking point. Angle agrees that is exactly where the historical arc is heading, setting up the discussion of the uprisings that follow, from England's Civil War era through the documents that reshaped politics in the centuries after.

Revolutions, Socialism, and the Rise of Totalitarian Control
Angle walks through the American and French Revolutions, arguing that they permanently weakened royal power because rulers could no longer simply issue edicts and instead had to win votes. He points to the 1815 Congress of Vienna, where Europe's aristocrats, shaken by the French Revolution, struck what he calls the fourth dictum, noblesse oblige, a bargain promising the have-nots basic security in exchange for loyalty, which he identifies as the origin of socialism. Angle traces that thread forward to the 1848 Communist Manifesto and then to twentieth-century regimes he calls its descendants, including Stalin's Soviet Union, Hitler's Germany, Castro's Cuba, Pol Pot's Cambodia, and North Korea, all cases he characterizes as leftist because of their total control over society. He introduces a fifth dictum, Lord Acton's statement that power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely, arguing that unchecked leaders lose their sense of ethics and cooperation, leaving only an end-justifies-the-means mentality that, he says, let Stalin starve millions in Ukraine while believing he was doing right.

Liberty Jones Challenges the Framework
Liberty Jones pushes back, agreeing that humans carry an innate tribal instinct but rejecting the idea that society must gravitate toward power-centered tribalism. She argues for a more reciprocal model of leadership, in which a leader earns respect through what they do for the group rather than through domination, and she questions Angle's claim that humanity inherently falls short of the glory of God, suggesting that idea has historically served to keep aristocracies in power. She calls the swing between left and right an organic pendulum of politics, one she believes society can navigate without violence. Later, when Angle explains that power is a form of negative energy that can block a person's priorities, Jones presses harder, asking how the system avoids being fatally flawed if the same elected leaders who are said to crave control are also the ones entrusted to deliver freedom and ethics. She illustrates the point with the image of a fox left in charge of a henhouse, and Angle concedes that kings and queens throughout history behaved exactly that way.

Ethics, Freedom, and a Clash Over the Second Amendment
Brown asks how ethics can be restored to a political culture where neither side seems to respect the other, pointing to the hostility he observes on social media. Angle answers that ethics grows out of cooperation, and cooperation grows out of freedom, defined as the ability to form a priority and then effectuate it in reality, protections he credits to the Constitution and Bill of Rights. The conversation turns pointed when Brown challenges Angle's reading of the Second Amendment. Angle argues the amendment exists to let citizens defend themselves against an oppressive government, given thousands of years of disarmed populations under monarchs. Brown disagrees, arguing the amendment's language about a well-organized militia shows it was meant to protect the state itself, since the young nation had no standing army, and that the founders saw government and citizenry as one and the same. Brown also raises current gun laws, noting that a sixteen-year-old in Texas can buy an AR-15 rifle but not a handgun, asking how such priorities can be shaped by ethics instead of fear.

Economics, Peace, and a Tribute to Close the Show
Angle shifts to economics, describing every transaction as an exchange of sacrifice for reward involving time, knowledge, energy, and risk, and arguing that free-market exchange, exemplified by buying a fried-egg sandwich at a deli, is itself the nature of peace. He says competition naturally pushes people toward divergence rather than conflict, and that the more transactions a society allows, the more efficient and peaceful it becomes. Brown asks why, if this is true, the country still feels so divided under current leadership, and Angle attributes it to the permanent tug between those who want more control and those who want more freedom. Liberty Jones closes with a question about living with humanity's mix of selfishness and generosity, prompting Angle to define evil as an unethical action paired with an unethical objective. Before signing off, Angle points listeners to his book, The Nature of Political Left and Right. Brown closes the broadcast by marking the twenty-fifth anniversary of September 11th, urging listeners to thank firefighters and first responders, and dedicating P!nk's "What About Us" to the evening's conversation.

Angel Talk with Jim Young and Sandy Young

The Expression of Love Creates Miracles: Baptism, Forgiveness, and Gospel Wonders

Jim and Sandy Young of the Living Light Center explore how love, expressed through action rather than words, becomes the force behind everyday and biblical miracles, moving through prophecy, baptism, forgiveness, and gospel healing stories along the way.

Love in Motion: Opening Prophecy and a Call to Self-Examination
Sandy Young opens the September 13 broadcast of Angel Talk by naming the day's theme: the expression of love creates miracles, and only through movement toward God's will do those miracles occur. She reads what she calls a prophecy-style message, asking listeners to examine how they influence the people around them, whether they truly listen, and whether their lives hold balance physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. She urges self-love as the root of love for others, warns that unresolved anger poisons the body, and cautions against jealousy toward those who succeed. Sandy also speaks of a major time of earth changes and tells listeners never to lose faith even when natural events threaten what they have. She closes the opening by reminding the audience that every word spoken carries accountability, and that courage to stand for Christ's teaching is the path to eternal life.

The Word Love and the Power of the Cross
Jim takes over and reflects on the word "love," noting that spelled backward it becomes "evol," close to evil, and argues love is the most misunderstood word people use as carelessly as "thank you." He describes Christ's crucifixion, "shedding every bit of the bodily fluids," as the ultimate proof that love is not empty but active — "Love is a verb." He insists love must include movement, saying that without it "God is not present," and that spiritual force must be grounded in the material world through action. Jim also recalls being asked by Christ at a young age what he wanted, and answering that he wanted "to be able to heal this world and make people feel better," and being told to keep his life straight and nothing would be impossible for him, including raising the dead. He frames prayer through the full Holy Trinity, not just calling on Christ alone, as essential to receiving the Holy Spirit's gifts.

Baptism, Guilt, and the Counterfeit Spirit
Jim moves into teaching on baptism, distinguishing infant sprinkling or "dedication" from true full-immersion baptism, describing a biblical water measurement and offering to organize small baptism groups for listeners who were never truly baptized. He speaks of a "counterfeit spirit" placed within the body at birth that whispers temptation and later testifies against a person, arguing that Christ's death on the cross removes its power if it is refused. Drawing on his counseling work with Sandy, Jim describes clients, especially women, who carried guilt for abuse they suffered as children and were able to release it within an hour once they understood the guilt belonged to their abuser, not to them. He calls on listeners carrying similar guilt to let it go. He also warns that another world war may be approaching, driven he believes by the same hidden forces behind the previous two, and urges listeners to recognize manipulation early.

Four Kinds of Love and Everyday Choices
Jim continues by outlining what he calls the four types of love, family affection or storge, marital love, and eros or erotic love, arguing that passion itself is not sinful when it is channeled through God rather than misused. He says God is never mentioned condemning sex itself in the King James Bible, only infidelity and the misuse of love's single energy. He criticizes teaching that allows a young child to change gender without parental knowledge, calling it satanic and urging parents to take responsibility for their children's spiritual education, recalling Edgar Cayce's advice to begin teaching a child spiritually two years before birth. Jim also warns against manifesting desires outside of God's will, describing a "pendulum swing" in which things gained through selfish effort are eventually taken back, often with more lost than was gained, leaving people who believed they were "almost there" disappointed at the end of life.

Sandy's Teaching on Love as Law and a Small Kindness
Sandy takes the microphone to present love as, in her words, "the only law that truly exists," describing it as the force holding atoms together and the consciousness behind everything that exists, with suffering arising when a person swims against its current. She supports the idea with scripture, quoting John 3:16, Deuteronomy 6:5, and the two great commandments, and describes forgiveness as a discipline that keeps no record of wrong. Jim interjects to note that "neighbor" includes people across the world, not only those nearby. Sandy then shifts to small, everyday miracles: a smile offered to someone who looks down, watching a sunrise, or lending a hand. She recounts helping an elderly woman with a cane who spilled a bowl of beans in a buffet line, carrying her plate to her table, and watching the woman's guarded anger soften into visible gratitude.

Gospel Miracles, Solomon's Excess, and Closing Blessings
The hosts trade accounts of gospel miracles, including the feeding of the multitudes, the calming of the storm and Peter walking on water, the healing at the pool of Bethesda, and the ten lepers of whom only one returned to give thanks. Jim recommends Jonathan Cahn's book The Dragon's Prophecy and turns to the story of Solomon, noting his seven hundred wives, four hundred concubines, and vast wealth as evidence that abundance without gratitude creates what Jim calls "the frequency of lack." He connects this warning to modern marriages, describing, in frank terms, how physical affection and unresolved family belief systems affect a couple's connection, and citing research on dopamine and serotonin released through sustained affection. Sandy closes by reminding listeners that miracles, large or small, come through believing and aligning with God's will. The hosts sign off together, thanking listeners, sharing contact information, and asking to be kept in prayer until the next broadcast in two weeks.

Bible News Prophecy with Dr Bob Thiel

Continuing Church of God 62

Why Prepping Plans Fail and Real Biblical Preparation for the Great Tribulation with Dr. Bob Thiel

Dr. Bob Thiel joins host Steve Dupuis to argue that popular prepping plans are biblically unrealistic, and lays out the watching, praying, and gathering together that Jesus and the prophet Zephaniah command Philadelphian Christians to do before the Great Tribulation.

Are Prepping Plans Realistic?
Steve Dupuis opens the Bible News Prophecy program by asking Dr. Bob Thiel whether most prepping plans people rely on today are realistic. Thiel says no, citing an article claiming that typical prepping plans assume a healthy, young, single person able to handle physical hardship, when in reality most American households include elderly parents, young children, people on medications, and other vulnerable members that government plans do not adequately account for, especially once electricity fails. He stresses this is not a rare situation but ordinary American life, meaning most people's prepping assumptions are already flawed. Thiel distinguishes between real, biblically sound preparation and fake or false prepping, warning that the coming crisis facing the United States will be far worse than most preppers and commentators currently expect, setting up a discussion of what scripture actually says believers should do to prepare for tribulation ahead.

Tribulation Worse Than Ever Before
Asked how bad conditions will get, Thiel answers 'worse than it's ever been,' quoting Jesus in Matthew 24:21 that there will be great tribulation unlike anything since the world began, so severe that no flesh would survive were the days not shortened. He explains that many Americans, rather than dying, will become slaves, and that others fleeing to bunkers in the mountains, as described in Amos 3, will not find lasting safety either. Thiel reads from Lamentations, where Jeremiah describes enemies pursuing survivors even into the mountains and lying in wait for them in the wilderness, arguing that physical hiding places will fail because pursuers will track people down. He concludes that hiding in the mountains might protect a few people only temporarily, making that style of prepping biblically unsound, and reframes the real question as what scripture instructs people to do instead of relying on bunkers and supplies.

Watch And Pray, Jesus Says
Dupuis asks how listeners should actually prepare for what is coming, and Thiel turns to Luke 21:36, where Jesus instructs followers to watch and pray always so they may be counted worthy to escape the events to come and stand before the Son of Man. He then reads Revelation 3, verses 7 through 10, where Jesus addresses the church of Philadelphia, commending its work, setting an open door before it, and promising to keep it from the hour of trial coming upon the whole world to test its inhabitants. Thiel explains that Jesus specifically limits this promise of protection to Philadelphian Christians who have kept his command to persevere, meaning that physical safety from the coming trial depends on spiritual faithfulness rather than supplies or geography. Dupuis presses further, asking whether there is any other kind of Christian besides Philadelphian, opening the way for Thiel to describe the different types Revelation names.

Philadelphian And Laodicean Christians
Thiel answers that while there are false Christians, genuine believers fall into seven types named in Revelation, and he says Jesus indicates most end-time Christians will be Laodicean rather than Philadelphian. He reads Revelation 12:14, where the woman representing the church is given eagle's wings to flee into the wilderness and be nourished for a time, times, and half a time, three and a half years, describing this as only part of the church. Verse 17, he says, describes a second group, 'the rest of her offspring' who keep God's commandments and hold the testimony of Jesus Christ, whom the dragon makes war against after failing to reach the fleeing woman. Thiel clarifies the wilderness is not heaven, since heaven is never called a wilderness, and says those hoping for divine protection need to heed the prophet Zephaniah's instructions, which Dupuis then asks him to explain in more detail.

Zephaniah's Call To Gather
Thiel reads Zephaniah's instruction for God's people to 'gather yourselves together, yes, gather together, O undesirable nation' before a coming decree is issued and before the day of the Lord's fierce anger, tying the timing to the start of the Great Tribulation. He connects this Old Testament command to Hebrews 10:23 in the God's Word Translation, which tells believers not to stop gathering together with other believers as some already are, and to 2 Thessalonians 2, where Paul urges the church not to be shaken into thinking the day of the Lord has already come while still stressing the need for the faithful to gather to Christ. Thiel reads Zephaniah 2:3's call to seek the Lord, seek righteousness, and seek humility, arguing this humility means accepting church authority under a prophet rather than remaining independent, and he notes that the old Worldwide Church of God taught in 1979 that this passage promised protection for the spiritually ready.

The Decree And Real Preparation
Dupuis asks who will issue the coming decree, and Thiel cites Amos 3:7, that the Lord does nothing without revealing it to his servants the prophets, suggesting a prophet may deliver or relay the decree, and he identifies the Continuing Church of God as the only group he believes represents the Philadelphian remnant able to do so. Thiel reads Jesus's warning in Matthew 24:15 about the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place as the decree's likely trigger, followed by instructions to flee Judea for the mountains without delay. For genuine preparation, he cites Proverbs 22:3 on the prudent man who foresees evil and hides himself, Matthew 24:43-44 on staying ready like a watchful servant, and Matthew 6 on trusting God to provide for those who seek his kingdom first. Thiel closes by insisting real prepping means gathering with the Philadelphian remnant, not stockpiling supplies or fleeing to bunkers, before Dupuis thanks him and points listeners to biblenewsprophecy.net.