Continuing Church of God 63
AI-Made Viruses, the Fourth Horseman, and the Coming Mark of the Beast with Dr. Bob Thiel
Dr. Bob Thiel joins host Steve Dupuis to weigh reports of AI-engineered viruses and rogue artificial intelligence, tying them to Bible prophecies of pestilence, the fourth horseman, and a coming digital mark of the beast.
AI's Biological Threat Emerges
Steve Dupuis opens the Bible News Prophecy program by asking Dr. Bob Thiel whether artificial intelligence poses real risks to humanity. Thiel points to a recent headline warning that AI's greatest threat is biological, noting that an Anthropic researcher who resigned believes there is roughly a 10 percent chance AI could wipe out humanity within three to ten years, an estimate other researchers have echoed. Thiel says the article's greater alarm is over biological warfare and synthetic biology, warning that AI-assisted science could eventually produce a virus lethal to people whether vaccinated or not. Dupuis presses further, asking how close AI actually is to creating a genuine bioweapon risk, setting up Thiel's account of a specific Stanford-linked study that turned that abstract worry into a documented result, which he describes as no real surprise given that humans have pursued similar biological research for decades even without artificial intelligence's help.
Stanford Study Creates New Viruses
Thiel tells Dupuis that last month a report described AI creating 16 new viruses that never existed in nature, after the system learned patterns from nine trillion nucleotides in research associated with Stanford University. He explains that scientists have synthesized viruses for decades to study disease and pursue medical advances, but artificial intelligence now lets them generate viral genomes unlike anything found naturally. Thiel reads a line from the researchers themselves, that the ability to compose viral genomes using generative AI now exists while the governance to safely steer it does not. Dupuis asks whether this research is simply a hopeful step toward medical progress, and Thiel answers cautiously, recalling that COVID is presumed by some to have originated from a lab pursuing similarly well-intentioned work. He warns that a rogue AI program could misuse such techniques, and notes that turning biological agents into weapons has never been difficult for determined nations, the United States included, despite official denials of biological weapons programs.
A History of Biological Warfare
Thiel widens the discussion by reading from a 1969 article by the late Church of God evangelist Raymond McNair, titled The Doomsday Bug, which described a feverish international search for germs and chemicals capable of wiping out whole nations overnight. Thiel recounts McNair's tour of a chemical and biological warfare laboratory and his history of the practice, from poisoned arrows and poisoned water supplies to catapulting plague-infected corpses over besieged city walls and, in colonial America, trading plague-infected blankets to Native Americans. Dupuis asks about the scale of historical viruses and plagues, and Thiel cites the Black Death killing roughly a third of Europe, with three-quarters dead in some regions, plus a Cold War-era claim that one gram of Q fever-inoculated chicken embryo could infect more than a million people. He adds that 20 million people died of flu at the close of World War I, with fifty times that number falling ill.
Crops as Weapons, Pestilence as Prophecy
Thiel describes how chemical and biological warfare has also targeted economies rather than armies directly, recalling that the highest US civilian award once given went to a woman who developed a deadly rice blast fungus usable against rice-dependent nations like China or North Vietnam, while Russian scientists developed a wheat rust capable of striking American crops. He argues scientists bear real responsibility for developing microbes that could unleash horrifying epidemics. Turning to scripture, Thiel cites Jesus's words in Matthew 24:7 that famines, pestilences, and earthquakes mark the beginning of sorrows, then reads Revelation 6:7-8, where the fourth seal releases a pale horse whose rider, Death, kills across a fourth of the earth by sword, hunger, and plague. Dupuis asks directly whether AI-developed pathogens could be part of that fourth horseman's ride, and Thiel answers unequivocally yes, tying the ancient prophecy to modern biotechnology's unfolding capabilities.
Digital Wallets and a Coming Mark
Asked what other risks AI presents, Thiel turns to finance, warning that AI programs may increasingly break into financial systems and drain accounts as world commerce grows more digital. He predicts a European leader could respond by proposing a biometric system to prevent such AI-driven economic disasters, noting that all 27 European Union nations must offer residents a digital wallet holding identification and driver's license information on their phones by the end of 2026. Thiel suggests that system may prove insufficient, and speculates a future leader could push a more secure mark involving the right hand or forehead for safer buying and selling. Dupuis asks whether this lines up with biblical prophecy, and Thiel reads Revelation 13:15-18, describing the image of the beast compelling everyone, small and great, rich and poor, to receive a mark permitting commerce, identified by the number 666, which he says today's computing and AI technology could finally make enforceable.
Peace, Safety, and a Warning
Thiel notes that Europe's digital wallet remains voluntary for now, but predicts the eventual mark will not be. He reads 1 Thessalonians 5:3's warning that sudden destruction comes when people declare peace and safety, and argues the coming beast power will sell its system, likely involving AI, as protection from rogue technology and economic chaos, a carrot-and-stick approach that grows more coercive over time until it is finally forced on everyone. Thiel says he is fairly certain that guarding against AI risks will be among the system's advertised benefits. He concludes that AI will likely help both create pestilences and persuade people toward the mark of the beast, though scripture promises God will intervene before humanity destroys itself, per Matthew 24:21. Citing Revelation 16:2's warning of punishment for those who take the mark, Thiel urges listeners not to be persuaded, and Dupuis closes by directing listeners to biblenewsprophecy.net.
