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Saving With Steve with Steve Sexton

Crypto Pig Butchering Scams, Elder Fraud and Bond Market Warnings with Courtney Werning

Steve Sexton talks with investor-rights attorney Courtney Werning of Meyer Wilson & Werning about pig butchering crypto scams, impersonation fraud and Ponzi schemes targeting seniors, before closing solo with a warning on rising bond yields.

Welcoming Courtney Werning To Discuss Crypto Fraud
Steve Sexton opens the show by thanking his growing audience before turning to a subject he calls scarier than Halloween: financial scams. He cites cyber crime losses reaching roughly twenty billion dollars in a year, a twenty percent increase, concentrated among people over sixty, and introduces Courtney Werning, a partner at Meyer Wilson and Werning, one of the country's leading investor-rights law firms. He calls her the driving force behind the firm's cryptocurrency litigation and says she has recovered millions from a single pig butchering scam. Werning gently corrects part of his introduction, noting she currently serves as vice president of the Public Investors Advocacy Bar Association and will become its president next year rather than holding the role now. She explains that after thirteen or fourteen years representing investors against financial institutions, her practice has shifted heavily toward digital assets over the last four or five years as defrauded seniors increasingly seek her help.

Inside The Pig Butchering Scam
Sexton shares a listener's story about a woman who met someone online, believed she was building a relationship, and drained her 401(k) repeatedly after being told she needed more money in an account before withdrawing. Werning says she hears versions of that call multiple times a day and calls the pattern a global health crisis for seniors, worsened by artificial intelligence making scams look more polished. She explains that about ninety-five percent of these scams begin with an unsolicited message on a dating app or social media platform, with trust built over weeks or months before an investment pitch appears, often alongside screenshots of fake profits. Sexton recalls a friend nearly sending a hundred thousand dollars to a supposed Wall Street cryptocurrency genius who turned out to be texting from Taiwan. Werning describes scammers sometimes releasing early profits to the victim, then inventing crises like fake SEC investigations once the money runs low, pulling in still more funds before the victim is cut off entirely.

Tornado Wallets And The Duty To Protect Clients
After a break, Sexton asks Werning to explain how stolen money disappears through what she called a tornado mixer. She says blockchain transactions are irreversible once funds leave American financial institutions, since law enforcement cannot easily reach wallets held in foreign jurisdictions. The real fight, she argues, is prevention at the brokerage and investment-advisor level, since roughly thirty-five trillion dollars in retirement assets sits with FINRA-registered broker-dealers and SEC-registered advisors rather than under mattresses or on exchanges. She says those firms carry a legal duty to spot red flags and escalate suspected fraud, yet sometimes fail to act even when an advisor privately suspects something is wrong. Sexton calls that admission shocking. Werning attributes the gap to inadequate training rather than malice, saying frontline employees often do not know how to raise concerns or involve a fraud department, leaving a disconnect between what firms are supposed to do and what actually happens when money is about to leave the door.

Trusted Contacts, Safe Words And Family Protection
Werning highlights FINRA's trusted contact rule, in place since 2018, which lets account holders name someone a firm can call if something seems wrong, without giving that person authority over the account. She says firms often fail to properly offer it, but fraud staff tell her that once a trusted contact gets involved, it is often enough to stop a scam. Sexton recalls his grandmother once receiving a call she believed was from his brother, which the family verified through a separate phone call before acting. Werning recommends families adopt a spoken safe word, so any request to move money without it is immediately suspect. She stresses that intelligent, successful people, including doctors, engineers and a former CIA agent among her clients, have fallen for these scams, and argues the narrative must shift from blaming victims for being fooled to asking how everyone can better prevent the manipulation from working in the first place.

Impersonation Scams And Ponzi Schemes Persist
Werning describes government impersonation scams as especially effective on seniors, recounting a ninety-three-year-old client who spent a month believing she was helping the FBI, moving one and a half million dollars through crypto ATMs before realizing she had been deceived. She warns that government agencies never call asking people to move money, and urges families to verify any such call independently. She also describes family-voice impersonation using short audio clips and social-engineering calls where scammers quote a victim's real account details, stolen from data breaches, to sound convincing before asking for a wallet transfer. Sexton shares a story about his wife nearly giving up a bank PIN to a caller posing as Wells Fargo. Werning separately explains Ponzi schemes, saying they always eventually collapse once new investor money dries up, and warns that any investment promising extraordinary, low-risk returns, often pitched by someone charismatic and trusted, like a son or church friend, deserves serious suspicion rather than belief.

Recovery Steps And A Closing Look At Bond Yields
Werning advises anyone scammed to file a police report and an IC3 report, preserve every message, email and wire receipt, and contact a securities attorney through a site like investorclaims.com to see whether an institution's negligence contributed to the loss. She notes a bipartisan bill could restore a theft-related tax deduction for fraud victims, after one of Sexton's listeners was later billed by the IRS for retirement funds a scammer had drained. After thanking Werning, Sexton closes solo on the bond market, noting Treasury Secretary Bessent's failed attempts to buy back ten- and thirty-year bonds to cap yields, and the ten-year rate pushing above five percent as it did in 2022. He warns that heavily indebted tech companies funding data centers face rising borrowing costs that can pressure portfolios, and urges listeners to ask their advisor three questions about handling uncertainty, performing in good times, and absorbing losses before making any portfolio adjustments.

Ask the Angel with Rachel Corpus

A Live Paranormal Investigation of the Historic Gabriel House with Shade

Rachel Corpus broadcasts live from the haunted Gabriel House in Des Moines with her husband Ed and artist-intuitive Shade, testing paranormal tools and tracing the mansion's history ahead of an overnight investigation fundraiser.

Broadcasting From a Haunted House
Rachel Corpus opens the broadcast with a wink, warning listeners that if the signal glitches tonight it might be the unusual Wi-Fi or it might be the ghosts, because the show is originating live from the historic Gabriel House in Des Moines, in the Union Park neighborhood near the Des Moines River. She explains that she and her husband, Ed, once lived in another haunted historic home and promises that story for another night. Tonight's focus is the Gabriel House itself, and she introduces her friend Shade, an artist and intuitive who has produced art shows at the house and now works with owner David Barzen on events, including ghost investigations. Corpus tells callers lighting up her phone that she will not be taking calls this week, asking for grace, and teases an overnight live-streamed investigation of the house's basement and attic, nicknamed the witch's hat, planned as a fundraiser later in the month.

Paranormal Tools and the REM-Pod
Behind Corpus and Shade sits a rocking chair holding a REM-Pod, a device that lights up when a spirit's energy disturbs its field, and Corpus demonstrates it for listeners while asking any presence in the room to touch it. Ed arrives from work and shows off his newest gadget, a parabolic microphone that gathers sound from across a room and feeds it into Corpus's Yeti microphone so any spirit voice would be heard on air. Corpus also displays a K-II meter, which flashes with electromagnetic activity and doubles as a way to rule out ordinary electronics, and a spirit box, which scans radio frequencies so that spirits can allegedly borrow the static to form words. She says the spirit box will mostly wait for the planned overnight investigation because of how loud it is, but promises listeners a taste of it later in the broadcast once the historical background of the house is covered.

The Gilded Age Lumber Baron's House
Corpus walks through what she has learned about the Gabriel House, built in 1890 for Rees Gabriel, described as the lumber baron of Iowa for owning thirty-seven lumber yards and supplying materials across the state. Gabriel bought architectural plans from the George Barber Company of Knoxville, Tennessee, then hired another firm to add extra closets and the turret room Shade calls the witch's hat. Corpus wonders aloud whether the tower was built simply to watch the Des Moines River or, since 1890 sat squarely in the age of spiritualism, to hold séances, noting that houses of that era sometimes used round rooms because, as Shade puts it, spirits cannot hide in a corner. Corpus names Gabriel's wife, Jennie Brewer Gabriel, and their four daughters, Jennie, Grace, Myrtle and Blanche, while admitting she could not find much about Gabriel's personal character beyond his evident attention to detail and business.

A Dark Entity Named Hiccup
Shade shares a story a former roommate told her about the bedroom where she and Corpus are now sitting. One past resident lived in that room while another man spent most of his time in the basement, widely assumed to be doing drugs, though he insisted he was instead saving souls by communicating with a dark entity he called Hiccup. Shade says the roommate found strange, hand-painted numbered bricks on the basement floor, apparently marking the souls that man believed the entity had claimed, lettering that looks playful and modern rather than like a craftsman's signature. Corpus says she senses the basement has absorbed decades of amateur séances and Ouija board sessions dating to the nineteen-sixties, calling it an open door that can let something in. She says she is trained to handle whatever is down there and does not know yet whether the entity and the Gabriel family are connected.

Readings, Keys, and a Child in the Closet
Corpus invites any presence, especially the Gabriel family, to use the REM-Pod or Ed's microphone, and the devices begin spiking, especially near Ed, prompting jokes that he has no soul to possess. Running the spirit box briefly, the group hears what sounds like footsteps on the servant stairs and a small, childlike voice, which Shade had also heard earlier near the kitchen along with a jangling sound like keys, leading Corpus to sense someone searching for a missing set. Using dowsing rods, Corpus gets a yes to a little boy she says she glimpsed crouched in a closet earlier, the same presence she once felt touch her shoulders in the downstairs bathroom years ago, though she cautions that something lower vibrational can sometimes disguise itself as a child to gain sympathy. Ed offers that spirits may simply not realize they have died or are unwilling to leave a life they enjoyed.

Crossing Over Souls and the Fundraiser Ahead
Corpus explains her belief that a haunting is only a fractal sliver of a soul rather than the whole, so crossing a spirit over reunites that piece with the rest of them, which she says is the opposite of paranormal businesses that forbid investigators from crossing spirits over to keep a location marketable as haunted. She and Shade say their own approach stays prayerful and judgment-free toward other investigators while refusing to work that way themselves. Corpus then details the upcoming overnight fundraiser investigation at the Gabriel House on the 23rd and 24th of October, livestreamed for those who cannot attend, with in-person spots limited and available for a three-hundred-dollar donation covering four hours, proceeds going toward the house's water bill and repairs. Shade adds that the carriage house is being restored into an Airbnb and that seasonal art shows there support local musicians and artists. Corpus closes thanking Shade and Ed and reminding listeners to keep their halo straight.

Voices of Courage with Ken D Foster

The Inner Way: Reclaiming the Truth of Who You Are with Steve Farrell

Ken D. Foster talks with Humanity's Team co-founder Steve Farrell about walking away from Silicon Valley success, the book he calls "The Inner Way," and what it looks like to practice oneness when life gives you a reason to react instead.

A Journey That Requires You to Go Nowhere
Ken D. Foster opens Voices of Courage with a clip of Steve Farrell describing a path he calls The Inner Way, then rolls the show's theme music before returning to formally welcome listeners. Foster asks what if the achievement, money and purpose people chase have been waiting for them all along, right where they already stand, and frames the hour as a courageous journey inward, beyond personality, titles and circumstance. He draws on the Upanishads' question of who is truly observing one's life, the Bhagavad Gita's teaching on the unchanging Atman and a life guided by Dharma, and the Vedas' claim that separation is ultimately illusion, arguing that competition can become contribution once people sense themselves as expressions of a larger consciousness. Foster introduces Steve Farrell, noting he built real Silicon Valley success before discovering that outward achievement could not answer a deeper calling rising within him.

Introducing Steve Farrell and Humanity's Team
Foster formally welcomes Steve Farrell, thanking him for joining, and Farrell calls himself excited for the conversation. Foster introduces Farrell as co-founder and worldwide executive director of Humanity's Team, a global nonprofit helping people awaken to the interconnectedness of life, and notes Farrell previously co-founded two fast-growing Silicon Valley technology companies recognized on the Inc. 500 before feeling called toward something deeper. Foster explains Farrell went on to co-found Humanity's Team with Conversations with God author Neale Donald Walsch, and is the author of A New Universal Dream and the new book, which Foster's introduction calls The Inn-Way, subtitled Reclaiming the Truth of Who You Are and Why You Are Here. Asked directly why humanity is here, Farrell answers that life is precious and should be lived so that, looking back, a person can say an honest yes, invoking Stephen Covey's habit of beginning with the end in mind.

Why Steve Left Silicon Valley Behind
Foster asks Farrell how he walked away from what millions of people chase: the money, the house, the car. Farrell describes two companies he co-founded in the 1990s that grew to 75 million dollars, his seats in the Young Entrepreneurs' and Young Presidents' Organizations, private jets and private ski areas. He says he realized it wasn't there, pointing to a confidential group called forum where successful people admitted their marriages and relationships were often not pretty underneath the achievement. Farrell says he felt fulfilled by what he built but not by what it meant for the world; he didn't see himself helping create something more sustainable. Asked whether a part of his identity had to die, Farrell says he had to release the alpha-male posture of Silicon Valley venture offices, take off his social mask, and accept losing close friends who didn't understand why he was leaving the pack behind.

A Preexisting Reality of Entanglement
Foster asks who Steve Farrell is once the entrepreneur, author and father labels are stripped away. Farrell answers that before he dies, what matters is understanding a preexisting reality that science itself now describes: everything entangled, nothing truly separate, each person deeply affecting the others. He says people were raised instead inside a conditioned, almost fictional reality taught by parents and schools, and that research into oneness reveals people as waves on an ocean or cells in a larger body. Foster connects this to entanglement theory, quantum mechanics and neuroscience, suggesting science is only now confirming teachings already present for centuries in the Upanishads, Vedas and Bhagavad Gita. He praises Farrell's book for offering wisdom rather than more information, since information is now instantly available through artificial intelligence, and asks how people actually practice oneness when someone says something they don't like.

Softening Sharp Elbows and Releasing Preferences
Farrell answers with Gandhi's call to be the change, tying it to daily rituals that shape how a person meets each day. He tells a story about walking his dog with his son Dylan when a neighbor snapped at him for the dog peeing on his lawn; rather than escalating, Farrell wondered what kind of day the man was having and told Dylan not to fire back, joking about Dylan's knife collection. Foster connects this to turning the other cheek, saying ego reacts while compassion breaks the pattern. Farrell then describes letting go of strong personal preferences, from favorite restaurants to cars, once he realized quality time with his wife mattered more than getting his way, a shift he calls humbling but liberating. Foster shares his own move from needing a Mercedes and high-end stores to finding goodness at Walmart and T.J. Maxx.

The Book, the Summit and Staying Grounded
Farrell explains the whole book is built from exercises, inviting Foster to open any page and find one; the Kindle edition is free on Amazon, with the paperback priced at $10.99. He says readers who work through it will end up loving their lives and themselves, free of the regret he says often follows wealth gained at others' expense. Foster and Farrell discuss humanitysteam.org, the nonprofit's free programs featuring teachers like Gregg Braden and Bruce Lipton, and the upcoming Global Oneness Summit, October 22 through 24, its seventeenth year, broadcast live with thirty pre-recorded programs. They describe the summit's opening ritual of shouting love out open windows, inspired by Horton Hears a Who. Farrell cites David R. Hawkins' Power vs. Force on rising vibration, and Foster closes by thanking Farrell and signing off with the show's closing line.

Translating Heart Intelligence

Simulation Theory, Video Game Choices, and the Wisdom of Being Water

Kenna and Justin use video games—single-player stories, massively multiplayer worlds, and crafting mechanics—to think through simulation theory, predetermined choice, and empathy, then close the hour with teachings on water from Bruce Lee and Lao Tzu.

Simulation Theory Opens the Hour
Justin greets listeners to Translating Heart Intelligence, introducing himself and Kenna for the week's conversation. Kenna warns she may cough through the hour and explains that today grew out of questions she had been exploring with superintelligence as a kind of mirror, reflecting her inner knowing back to her so she could view it from an observer's perspective, including ideas connected to simulation theory. She tells Justin the plan is to use video games as a physical example of those ideas, and asks him to walk through the difference between single-player games and massively multiplayer online games, which fans shorten to MMO. Justin explains that single-player games follow a story laid out in advance, where a player controls a character living through a mostly predetermined plot, occasionally offered a choice that nudges the ending slightly. Kenna compares that structure to the idea of fate, with every outcome already written before the player ever arrives.

MMOs, Characters, and Class Choices
Justin describes massively multiplayer online games, where players keep progressing with the same character indefinitely rather than reaching a fixed ending, and can build multiple characters for multiple playthroughs. Kenna asks whether players choose a race first, such as an orc, a goblin, or a human, before picking a class, and Justin confirms that race, sex, and class are all chosen early, with class determining whether a character plays a support role or a damage role. Support characters protect allies by absorbing damage and drawing enemy attention, or heal teammates, while damage characters focus on dealing as much harm as possible to anything in their path, from a chicken to a dragon. Kenna notes that a game's world lets a character damage things that never intended harm, breaking objects or kicking chickens, as easily as confronting villains, with the whole experience shaped by what the player chooses to pursue.

Evil Choices and Real Empathy
Kenna asks Justin what an evil path usually looks like in the games he has played, and he recalls one where a nuclear bomb sits at the center of a town that worships it as a god, letting a player sneak in, activate it, and run, erasing the town entirely. Kenna calls that a clear picture of evil, destroying a whole community's capacity to grow and survive, and Justin adds the choice even hurts the player, since the town's merchants disappear too. The conversation turns to empathy, with Kenna observing that people with empathy would not want a town destroyed because it affects them as well, even inside a game they know is not real life. Justin agrees the stakes feel different in a simulated space, though he notes some players still carry real guilt home from choices made in games like driving simulators, where hitting a pedestrian carries no in-game consequence at all.

Building, Crafting Speed, and a Debt Simulator
Kenna and Justin compare how quickly games let players build houses, craft armor, or grow crops with the push of a button against how slowly the same tasks unfold in real life, where forging metal or waiting months for a garden demands a patience with uncertainty that Kenna says she had to learn to accept. Justin brings up an unnamed 2020 game nicknamed a debt simulator, built around paying off a house with no interest and no required payments, only a block on moving or upgrading until the loan clears. Kenna wonders whether real life needs people tied to a house-like asset at all, since many homes go unmaintained anyway, and Justin counters that keeping people housed, even through what he calls three hots and a cot in jail, serves an economy that treats homelessness as illegal in many places. Kenna notes that is part of why people join the military, for a guaranteed place to live.

Predetermined Choices, Navy Memories, and Alien Life
The pair widen the conversation to whether lives are predetermined like game characters, with souls choosing parents and life paths before incarnating. Justin shares that he nearly enlisted in the Army before learning about the required running and beelining instead for the Navy, wondering how different his life, and whether he and Kenna would have met, had that single choice gone the other way. Kenna reflects on her own Navy years, when she had to adopt a firmer, more aggressive personality to survive, and says she remains grateful to that version of herself for getting her through, even though she expresses herself more gently now. Justin recalls a video comparing life's first eighteen years to a tutorial, after which people spend until about eighty maxing out love, money, or strength, which Kenna links to leveling up and the claim that mastering any skill takes ten thousand hours. Justin cites physicist Michio Kaku on how rarely life evolves bipedal, and mentions the Borg from Star Trek and the film Moonfall as versions of artificial intelligence.

Being Water, Closing Thoughts
Kenna argues that every being deserves the right to choose yes or no for itself, since that choice shapes the quality of any experience, and Justin adds that everyone encountered, from a mother in a store to a panhandler on a corner, is also an expression of the self. Kenna then shares teachings on water as a conduit of expression, starting with Bruce Lee's line to be water, my friend, and moving into Lao Tzu's Tao Te Ching, reading passages on how water benefits all things without competing, gathers greatness by receiving rather than rising above, and wears away stone through gentleness rather than force. Justin reads alongside her, and both reflect that communities might flourish more if people nourished one another instead of competing for recognition. Kenna closes by asking listeners to measure their lives by how much life they helped flourish rather than how far they rose above others, thanking Justin and the BBS audience before the two sign off until the next episode.

Tony Alamo

Saddam Hussein's Hanging, Vatican War Conspiracies, and a Stand By Me Tribute to Susie

World Pastor Tony Alamo marks program 282 of How to Have God's Life Living in You with a prayer-filled message on Saddam Hussein's execution and claims of Vatican-engineered wars, listener testimonials read by co-host Sharon, and a personal tribute to his late wife Susie sung in the style of Elvis.

Program 282 Opens With Prayer And Free Offers
Tony Alamo opens program 282, part 180 of his series How to Have God's Life Living in You, reminding listeners that cassette tapes, CDs, and Bibles go out free of charge with postage and handling covered, and that co-host Sharon will give four ways to request a copy before the hour ends. He previews testimonials, music, and what he calls an important message about Saddam Hussein's hanging the previous morning. Alamo leads an opening prayer thanking God for eternal life and asking that the service be anointed directly from heaven, then insists the Earth is roughly seven thousand years old rather than millions, calling scientists wrong wherever they disagree with scripture. He retells the story of Eve eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, arguing her belief in a coming atonement still saved her even though she died, and tells listeners everyone has a will and must choose between the kingdom of heaven and the lake of fire.

Susie, Elvis, And A Family Memory
Alamo shifts into a personal memory of his late wife Susie, who died of cancer and used to ask him to sing like Elvis Presley during their years making television appearances with hosts such as Pat Robertson. He recalls refusing her request and her telling him she would haunt him for it after she was gone, then performs his own version of Stand by Me in an Elvis-style voice, saying the recording comes from the heart rather than from skill at imitation. He describes his children, two grown sons in their forties, a teenage son, and a young daughter, and recounts his son Mike visiting from Florida with his wife Christie, insisting they had heard Elvis himself on Alamo's radio program. Alamo says he asked Sharon whether Elvis had ever been played and learned the recording the family heard was his own, a realization he credits to his continuing effort to honor a promise made to Susie before her death.

Testimonials From Ghana, Montana, And Texas
Co-host Sharon reads a stack of listener letters and calls, beginning with Andrew in Kumasi, Ghana, who says Alamo's literature changed him from a sinner and asks for cassettes, a Bible, and guidance on whether he needs to be baptized a second time after sinning again; Alamo tells him to be baptized and stop trampling the blood of Jesus underfoot. Frank, also writing from Ghana, praises God's greatness, and Sharon relays a call from Michelle in Baker, Montana, a town Alamo says he knows well from years living in Montana, who is considering Bible college; Alamo warns her away from universities and Bible schools, insisting no prophet or apostle attended one. Sharon continues with Louisa of Friendswood, Texas, who found Alamo's article in the Houston Chronicle, and a letter from Connie of Houston praising a published salvation prayer. Alamo thanks listeners who tithe and send finances, warning that withholding money from the ministry robs God of souls.

A Message On Saddam Hussein's Hanging
Alamo turns to what he calls a message straight from the Lord, delivered after he watched television coverage of Saddam Hussein's hanging that morning. He tells listeners he does not believe Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, quoting Hussein's own website as saying only the United States possesses such weapons, and argues the Iraq war was launched on a pack of lies that killed hundreds of thousands of people for nothing. Sharon reads a prepared outline headed The End of an Era, and Alamo questions why Hussein faces execution for crimes against humanity while President Clinton, whom he accuses of bombing fifty countries and allowing the deaths of Branch Davidians at Waco, and President Bush go unpunished. He calls the conflict not a war between Shiites and Sunnis but a war between God and Satan for control of the human soul, and names himself, only half joking, as the Vatican's chief weasel for opposing what he calls their version of democracy.

Vatican, Democracy, And Wartime Conspiracies
Reading further from the prepared text, Sharon and Alamo build a case that the Vatican has engineered a century of wars to install what Alamo calls disguised dictatorships under the name of democracy. He claims Japan tried to surrender before Pearl Harbor but was provoked into attacking so that the United States and Russia would have cause for war, and that the Reichstag fire in Germany was set by the Nazis themselves and blamed on others to inflame public anger, much as he says the World Trade Center attack was used to justify invading Iraq. Alamo folds in the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the firebombing of Jewish communities in Germany, and the killings at Waco as further proof that the Vatican, acting through puppet presidents including Roosevelt, Clinton, and both Bushes, directs world governments and media to brand the innocent as monsters while shielding its own crimes, a pattern he says runs through every war of the last century.

Alamo Answers Attacks On The Ministry And Closes
Alamo answers rumors circulated about his own ministry, saying police and reporters once called him and Susie communists, then mind controllers, and now accuse him of holding people prisoner and committing child abuse, charges he denies outright, noting the church has no locks, bars, or chains and welcomes any visitor to see for themselves. He recalls his friend Larry Hagman winning roughly half a million dollars suing a tabloid that falsely claimed Hagman had nailed live birds to trees, offering it as proof such publications will print anything to sell copies. Alamo compares the persecution of his ministry to the deaths of David Koresh and the Branch Davidians at Waco, both groups he says were targeted for standing apart from Rome. He closes the broadcast leading a spoken sinner's prayer confessing Jesus Christ as the Son of the living God, after which Sharon gives the website, Texarkana post office box, phone, and fax numbers before Alamo's recording of So High, made with J.D. Sumner and the Stamps, plays the program out.